[HELICONIUS] Polytomy in the Heliconiini in opentreeoflife.org

[James Mallet]

Yes, maybe they could replace the whole Heliconiini tip with your tree 
(what to do about missing species?). Interestingly, there are some 
designated subspecies that are shown grouped as polytomies within 
species e.g. H. melpomene.


On 19/09/2015 08:13, Krzysztof Kozak wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Having looked at their discussion group, there are some good 
> systematists involved. I will just ask if I could simply upload a 
> proper tree for Heliconiini, or would they want me to hack through all 
> the taxonomy...
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> __
> Chris Kozak
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Krzysztof Kozak <kmkozak87 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:kmkozak87 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hello,
>
>     Why not just send them our phylogenies and ask if they can stitch
>     those in instead? Maybe it could be corrected relatively
>     painlessly. Eve if only one study ends up using this down the
>     line, it may be good to have quality information?
>
>     Cheers,
>     Chris
>
>     __
>     Chris Kozak
>
>
>     On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Marianne Elias
>     <melias2008 at gmail.com <mailto:melias2008 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         Well, Ithomiini are also highly polytomous and comprise over
>         1500 'species', some of which are subspecies, but other seem
>         to come out from nowhere (perhaps Keith W knows what they all
>         are). Some species names are also attributed to the wrong
>         genus. It seems that they've datamined the litterature, the
>         web and databases and made a collection of names, most of
>         which are obsolete, wrong and redundant. I don't see the point
>         of doing this, all the more as there's already a tree of life
>         project (tolweb.org <http://tolweb.org>) with reasonable
>         phylogenies (though not always up-to-date, but we should only
>         blame ourselves for our groups of interest!).
>
>         Cheers,
>
>         Marianne
>
>         On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 3:38 AM, James Mallet
>         <jmallet at oeb.harvard.edu <mailto:jmallet at oeb.harvard.edu>> wrote:
>
>             Interesting project idea, a Wikipedia for phylogeny, and
>             perhaps I shouldn't knock it.
>
>             But does anyone feel like correcting this polytomy in
>             opentreeoflife.org <http://opentreeoflife.org>?
>             *https://tree.opentreeoflife.org/opentree/opentree3.0@1766047/Heliconiini*
>
>             I counted 815 "species" in the genus /Heliconius /on this
>             site, including /Heliconius wucherpfennigi/ which is a
>             named aberration of a form of a subspecies of "/Heliconius
>             clytia/" which is thought today to be a synonym of
>             /Heliconius wallacei/!
>
>             No wonder they claim to have 2.3 million species! I wonder
>             how many other groups have spurious species like this!
>
>             Best wishes, Jim
>
>             -- 
>             James Mallet
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