[HELICONIUS] Polytomy in the Heliconiini in opentreeoflife.org

[Krzysztof Kozak]

Hello,

Why not just send them our phylogenies and ask if they can stitch those in
instead? Maybe it could be corrected relatively painlessly. Eve if only one
study ends up using this down the line, it may be good to have quality
information?

Cheers,
Chris

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Chris Kozak


On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Marianne Elias <melias2008 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Well, Ithomiini are also highly polytomous and comprise over 1500
> 'species', some of which are subspecies, but other seem to come out from
> nowhere (perhaps Keith W knows what they all are). Some species names are
> also attributed to the wrong genus. It seems that they've datamined the
> litterature, the web and databases and made a collection of names, most of
> which are obsolete, wrong and redundant. I don't see the point of doing
> this, all the more as there's already a tree of life project (tolweb.org)
> with reasonable phylogenies (though not always up-to-date, but we should
> only blame ourselves for our groups of interest!).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Marianne
>
> On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 3:38 AM, James Mallet <jmallet at oeb.harvard.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Interesting project idea, a Wikipedia for phylogeny, and perhaps I
>> shouldn't knock it.
>>
>> But does anyone feel like correcting this polytomy in opentreeoflife.org?
>>
>> *https://tree.opentreeoflife.org/opentree/opentree3.0@1766047/Heliconiini
>> <https://tree.opentreeoflife.org/opentree/opentree3.0@1766047/Heliconiini>*
>>
>> I counted 815 "species" in the genus *Heliconius *on this site,
>> including *Heliconius wucherpfennigi* which is a named aberration of a
>> form of a subspecies of "*Heliconius clytia*" which is thought today to
>> be a synonym of *Heliconius wallacei*!
>>
>> No wonder they claim to have 2.3 million species! I wonder how many other
>> groups have spurious species like this!
>>
>> Best wishes, Jim
>>
>> --
>> James Mallet
>> Organismic & Evolutionary Biology
>> Harvard University
>> 16 Divinity Avenue - BioLabs
>> Cambridge, MA 02138
>> USA tel: +(1)617-496-5350www.oeb.harvard.edu/mallet/
>>
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>
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> Marianne Elias
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