<div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>Having looked at their discussion group, there are some good systematists involved. I will just ask if I could simply upload a proper tree for Heliconiini, or would they want me to hack through all the taxonomy...</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Chris</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>__</div>Chris Kozak<br><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Krzysztof Kozak <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kmkozak87@gmail.com" target="_blank">kmkozak87@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hello,<div><br></div><div>Why not just send them our phylogenies and ask if they can stitch those in instead? Maybe it could be corrected relatively painlessly. Eve if only one study ends up using this down the line, it may be good to have quality information?</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Chris</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>__</div>Chris Kozak<br><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div class="h5">
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Marianne Elias <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:melias2008@gmail.com" target="_blank">melias2008@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Well, Ithomiini are also highly polytomous and comprise over 1500 'species', some of which are subspecies, but other seem to come out from nowhere (perhaps Keith W knows what they all are). Some species names are also attributed to the wrong genus. It seems that they've datamined the litterature, the web and databases and made a collection of names, most of which are obsolete, wrong and redundant. I don't see the point of doing this, all the more as there's already a tree of life project (<a href="http://tolweb.org" target="_blank">tolweb.org</a>) with reasonable phylogenies (though not always up-to-date, but we should only blame ourselves for our groups of interest!).<br><br></div>Cheers,<br><br></div>Marianne<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 3:38 AM, James Mallet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jmallet@oeb.harvard.edu" target="_blank">jmallet@oeb.harvard.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>
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Interesting project idea, a Wikipedia for phylogeny, and perhaps I
shouldn't knock it.<br>
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But does anyone feel like correcting this polytomy in
<a href="http://opentreeoflife.org" target="_blank">opentreeoflife.org</a>? <br>
<b><a href="https://tree.opentreeoflife.org/opentree/opentree3.0@1766047/Heliconiini" target="_blank">https://tree.opentreeoflife.org/opentree/opentree3.0@1766047/Heliconiini</a></b><br>
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I counted 815 "species" in the genus <i>Heliconius </i>on this
site, including <i>Heliconius wucherpfennigi</i> which is a named
aberration of a form of a subspecies of "<i>Heliconius clytia</i>"
which is thought today to be a synonym of <i>Heliconius wallacei</i>!
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No wonder they claim to have 2.3 million species! I wonder how many
other groups have spurious species like this!<br>
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Best wishes, Jim<span><font color="#888888"><br>
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